Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://c.im/@JosephMeyer" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joseph Meyer</a> <blockquote>When you read exceptional alt text, do you ever compliment its author? What is the epitome of alt text, either in general terms or using a specific example?</blockquote><br>I'd really like to know that myself, also to up my own game further and always stay way ahead of image description quality requirements.<br><br>I mean, <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/1e63be04-d96e-412a-ab47-aff18c5f9ad8" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">I've learned a lot about describing images in and for the Fediverse</a> over the last two years. But I guess I can still learn something new, even if I think I already take care of everything, even if the technical possibilities I have here on Hubzilla for describing images surpass those on Mastodon by magnitudes.<br><br>Maybe, if I learn something new from those who reply, I can weave it into the image descriptions for a series of images that I've been working on since late last year (the descriptions, not the images which are ready to go).<br><br><blockquote>Alt text sometimes merely explains what I am viewing; other times it draws my attention to special details in a photo that I would have otherwise missed.</blockquote><br>I never explain in alt-text. I do always explain a whole lot because I always have to explain a whole lot. For my original images, it takes me over 1,000 characters alone to explain where an image was made.<br><br>But I only ever give explanations in the long, detailed image descriptions that go into the post text body (in addition to shorter and purely visual descriptions in the alt-texts).<br><br>Or if there's no additional long image description in the post itself which is the case for my meme posts, I still supply enough explanation in the post text body (still not in the alt-text) for just about everyone in the Fediverse to understand them without having to look anything up themselves. If I can link to external information, e.g. KnowYourMeme for the template I've used, I do so. If I can't, I write the missing explanations right into the post myself.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a>
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Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mstdn.ca/@DavidM_yeg" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">David Mitchell :CApride:</a> <blockquote>Mostly, just imagine you’re telling your friend over the phone about image you’re looking at and what they would need to know.</blockquote><br><br>Let's just say I'm a bit critical about that because, in my opinion, it doesn't work in the Fediverse.<br><br> <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland?f=&zid=flipboard.social%40flipboard.social" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a><span><a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland?f=&zid=flipboard.social%40flipboard.social" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jupiter Rowland</a> schrieb den folgenden <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/21735784-8443-430a-aa09-e0d9d00a40c2?f=&zid=flipboard.social%40flipboard.social" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Beitrag</a> <span class="">Fri, 04 Oct 2024 23:30:02 +0200</span></span> <p><strong><strong>You can't describe images in Fediverse posts like over the phone</strong></strong></p>Allegedly, a "good" advice for image descriptions is always to describe images like you'd describe them to someone on a landline phone.<br><br>Sorry, but that's non-sense. At least for anything that goes significantly beyond a real-life cat photo.<br><br>If you describe an image through a phone, you describe it to <em>one</em> person. Usually a person whom you know, so you've at least got a rough idea on what they need described. Even more importantly, you can ask that person what they want to know about the image if you don't know. And you get a reply.<br><br>If you describe an image for a public Fediverse post, you describe it to <em>millions</em> of Fediverse users and <em>billions</em> of Web users. You can't know what they all want, nor can you generalise what they all want. And you can't even ask one of them what they need described before or while describing, much less all of them. In fact, you can't ask at all. And yet, you have to cater to everyone's needs the same and throw no-one under a bus.<br><br>If I see a realistic chance that someone might be interested in some detail in one of my images, I will describe it. It won't be in the shorter description in the alt-text; instead, it will be in the long description which I've always put directly into the post so far, but whose placement I'm currently reconsidering. If something is unfamiliar enough to enough people that it requires an explanation, I will explain it in the long description.<br><br>Right now, only meme posts are an exception. They don't need as much of a visual description as long as I stick to the template, and a poll has revealed that people do prefer externally linked third-party explanations over my own ones blowing the character count of the post out of proportion. This is the one time that I can safely assume that I actually <em>know</em> what most people want.<br><br>@<a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/accessibility" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">accessibility group</a> @<a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/a11y" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">a11y group</a><br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" 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Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/accessibility" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">accessibility group</a> @<a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/a11y" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">a11y group</a><br><br>New rant/article:<br><br><a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/1e63be04-d96e-412a-ab47-aff18c5f9ad8" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">I have learned a lot about describing images according to Mastodon's standards, and I want to share my knowledge, but I haven't learned enough</a><br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Inclusion" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inclusion</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=A11y" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">A11y</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Accessibility" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Accessibility</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://nerdculture.de/@annam" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Anna Maier</a> I don't know what constitutes a "good" example in your opinion, but I've got two examples of how bad AI is at describing images with extremely obscure niche content, much less explaining them.<br><br>In both cases, I had the <a href="https://llava.hliu.cc/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Large Language and Vision Assistant</a> describe one of my images, always a rendering from within a 3-D virtual world. And then I compared it with a description of the same image of my own.<br><br>That said, I didn't compare the AI description with my short description in the alt-text. I went all the way and compared it with my long description in the post, tens of thousands of characters long, which includes extensive explanations of things that the average viewer is unlikely to be familiar with. This is what I consider the benchmark.<br><br>Also, I fed the image at the resolution at which I posted it, 800x533 pixels, to the AI. But I myself didn't describe the image by looking at the image. I described it by looking around in-world. If an AI can't zoom in indefinitely and look around obstacles, and it can't, it's actually a disadvantage on the side of the AI and not an unfair advantage on my side.<br><br>So without further ado, <strong>exhibit A:</strong><br><br><a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/db8f9353-e126-49b2-ad06-87c5e1df8d00" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">This post</a> contains<br><ul><li>an image with an alt-text that I've written myself (1,064 characters, including only 382 characters of description and 681 characters of explanation where the long description can be found),</li><li>the image description that I had LLaVA generate for me (558 characters)</li><li>my own long and detailed description (25,271 characters)</li></ul>The immediate follow-up comment dissects and reviews LLaVA's description and reveals where LLaVA was too vague, where LLaVA was outright wrong and what LLaVA didn't mention although it should have.<br><br>If you've got some more time, <strong>exhibit B:</strong><br><br>Technically, all this is in one thread. But for your convenience, I'll link to the individual messages.<br><br><a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/f8ac991d-b64b-4290-be69-28feb51ba2a7" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Here is the start post</a> with<br><ul><li>an image with precisely 1,500 characters of alt-text, including 1,402 characters of visual description and 997 characters mentioning the long description in the post, all written by myself</li><li>my own long and detailed image description (60,553 characters)</li></ul><br><a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/display/69317442-c4b7-4dc2-beed-38438abfc50a" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Here is the comment with the AI description</a> (1,120 characters; I've asked for a detailed description).<br><br><a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/display/451d2f06-7746-4227-a043-76a959420c29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Here is the immediate follow-up comment with my review of the AI description.</a><br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AI" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AI</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LLaVA" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LLaVA</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AIVsHuman" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AIVsHuman</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=HumanVsAI" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">HumanVsAI</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mastodon.online/@sunflowerinrain" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">sunflowerinrain</a> @<a href="https://mastodon.green/@Tarnport" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Tarnport</a> From what I've read, a digital photograph is considered the default. So for brevity reasons, it <em>must not</em> be mentioned.<br><br>Any other media <em>must</em> be mentioned, whether it's a painting, a screenshot from a social media app, a scanned analogue photograph, a flowchart, a CAD blueprint, a 3-D rendering or whatever.<br><br>But an alt-text must <em>never</em> start with "Image of", "Picture of" or "Photo of". That's considered bad style and a waste of characters and screen-reading time. If the medium is not mentioned, digital photograph falls into its place as a default.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mastodon.social/@alttexthalloffame" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Alt Text Hall of Fame</a> @<a href="https://sfba.social/@dbloom" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">David Bloom</a> Yes.<br><br>Explanations, or any other information available neither in the image nor in the post text, must <em>never ever</em> go into the alt-text. That's because not everyone can access alt-text. And to those who can't access alt-text, any information exclusively available in alt-text is inaccessible and therefore lost.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mastodon.online/@Christina_T" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Christina</a> <blockquote>Please make it descriptive: tell us about colours, what the person looks like, the background, and anything else you can think of.</blockquote><br>I've got a few examples of image posts of my own with very detailed image descriptions. These posts are not on Mastodon, but they are very much in the Fediverse in places that are federated with Mastodon, and they all have actually ended up on Mastodon timelines. So I guess Mastodon's accessibility requirements apply to these places just as well.<br><br>Would you say they're too descriptive? Or would you even say they aren't descriptive enough yet, and that there are important details missing?<br><br>One example is <strong>(content warning: eye contact)</strong> <a href="https://streams.elsmussols.net/item/b6ae326a-c207-46dd-836b-6bc2b6a3509c" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this post</a> with two images, my most recent one. It is not available on mastodon.online. These images also show a digital avatar, so in a sense, I've described a person.<br><ul><li>The first image has exactly 1,500 characters of alt-text, 990 are short image description, 509 explain where the long description can be found.</li><li>The second image has 1,499 characters of alt-text, 989 are short image description, 509 explain where the long description can be found.</li><li>The long descriptions have almost 11,000 characters in the common preamble, over 2,800 characters specifically for the first image and almost 6,600 characters specifically for the second image because it has more surroundings. All in all, the long descriptions have almost 21,000 characters. It took me eight hours to research for and write them. The visual description of the avatar plus necessary explanations alone takes up almost 7,000 characters.</li></ul><br>Another example is <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/f8ac991d-b64b-4290-be69-28feb51ba2a7" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this post</a> with one image. You can also find it by searching for the hashtag #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=UniversalCampus" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">UniversalCampus</a> and scrolling to the bottom of the results; there you can see what it looks like on Mastodon.<br><ul><li>The alt-text is exactly 1,500 characters long, 1,402 of which are the short image description. The note where to find the long description had to be shortened to the point of being half-useless.</li><li>The long description in the post is over 60,000 characters long. It took me two full days, morning to evening, to research for and write it.</li><li>I've actually had to limit myself in comparison to earlier image descriptions: There are no longer any detailed descriptions of images within the image, especially not at a higher level of detail than what the images within the image themselves show in-world.</li><li>This description is outdated because I've used absolute measures rather than measures relative to what people are familiar with, and the descriptions of the colours may not be detailed enough.</li></ul><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Inclusion" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inclusion</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=A11y" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">A11y</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Accessibility" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Accessibility</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://social.dhelonious.de/@daniel" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Dr. Daniel Dizdarevic</a> It isn't just because of compression, nor is it because I scale my images down from my original 2100x1400 renderings to 800x533.<br><br>As I've said: I don't describe the image with the things in it. I describe the things. Not as they appear in the image, but as they are in-world where I can walk closer to them or move the camera closer to them. It's like an image with a near-infinite resolution.<br><br>For example, if there's a light grey blob in the image, four pixels wide, three pixels high, I describe it as what it is in-world, a white sign with three lines of black writing on it. I transcribe the text on the sign 100% verbatim including all spelling mistakes, I translate it afterwards if it isn't in English, I may even explain the text if someone out there needs an explanation, and I may go as far as naming and describing the typeface.<br><br>Or if there are two by two pixels on different levels between red and white, I describe them as what they are in-world, a strawberry cocktail in a conical glass, somewhat like a Martini glass. And I slap an "alcohol" content warning on the whole post. Nowadays, I'd even flag the image sensitive just because of these four pixels.<br><br>I used to go as far as describing images within my image and even images within images within my image at higher levels of detail than anyone else would describe their own images. I used to describe things that weren't even visible in-world in the place shown in the image. Pictures of places that I would have to walk or even teleport to to be able to describe them. Textures that I would have to make visible otherwise to be able to see all details.<br><br>The last time I've described an image in an image with details not visible in the place shown in my image was in <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/136f021c-06cb-4e38-abe6-2bf37fd521d8" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this post</a>. I used almost 5,000 characters to describe a poster on the info board. I had to walk to the place displayed in the image on the poster to be able to describe it. The description of the image within the image got so lengthy that, when I was done, I had to remind the reader that I'm returning to describing "my" image. And I actually "cheated" by adjusting the camera in such a way that one of the three posters on the info board is entirely concealed behind a tree trunk because it would have been painfully difficult to describe.<br><br>I stopped going that deep when I wrote the image description for <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/f8ac991d-b64b-4290-be69-28feb51ba2a7" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">what will probably remain my last image post on this channel</a>. The long description was already growing absolutely humongous, and it's my longest one to date with over 60,000 characters. I had actually thought this scene would be easy to describe.<br><br>The problem I encountered was that there were simply too many images within images within my image. There's one teleporter near the left-hand edge with a preview image that made me reconsider. In-world, no matter how close I move the camera to the preview image, it mostly shows a square area that appear to be tan all over except for something dark and unidentifiable in the middle.<br><br>Actually, however, the place shown in the preview image has hundreds of single-destination teleporters. Several dozen of them are activated and have one preview image each of their destination. I teleported there to take closer looks at everything. I was actually about to write a description of that "teleport station" when I realised that I also had to describe every single one of these preview images, at least those that face the camera in the preview image on the teleporter in the place that I was originally describing. And some of these preview images had images in them in turn.<br><br>I would have had to describe probably over a hundred images. In dozens of images. On teleporters which are shown in yet another image on a sub-pixel level. In an image description which was already going out of hand length-wise. On the second day that I was working on that image description. I would have had to teleport at least <em>three times</em> from the place shown in my image to be able to describe these sub-sub-subimages.<br><br>That was when I decided to sacrifice details for convenience and only describe what's visible in-world within the borders of the image, excluding both objects that are entirely obstructed by something else and surfaces that entirely face away from the point of view. I do fully transcribe any text that's partially obstructed, though, although I'm considering two transcripts of such texts, namely one transcript of what's visible and one full transcript for better understanding.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Metaverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Metaverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=VirtualWorlds" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">VirtualWorlds</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CW" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CW</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWs" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWs</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ContentWarning" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ContentWarning</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ContentWarnings" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ContentWarnings</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ContentWarningMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ContentWarningMeta</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://social.dhelonious.de/@daniel" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Dr. Daniel Dizdarevic</a> I always consider "let them ask if they want to know" bad style for such elementary information. It seems to me like one of these things where Mastodon's good alt-text proponents may criticise you for not mentioning it right away.<br><br>That is, I wouldn't put that information into the alt-text. I only have about 900 or 1,000 characters at my disposal for describing an image in alt-text. Mastodon, Misskey and their forks chop alt-texts over 1,500 characters off in posts from outside, and I need the rest of the characters to explain where a longer and more detailed description can be found for as long as there are still instances of Mastodon under 4.4 around.<br><br>This is information that would go into said long description. I've always put the long description into the post itself where I technically don't have any character limits. The limit of 100,000 characters above which Mastodon may completely reject posts is not much to worry about either as long as I don't have multiple highly detailed images with little in common to describe.<br><br>Leaving out the information where an image is from, unless I have very good reasons to keep the location secret, feels like not giving a long description at all. And not giving the long and detailed description, in the case of my original images, is like omitting the alt-text for "normal" images entirely.<br><br>I've asked the above question because I have a series of images which are special cases. If surroundings were visible in the images and not too generic, I would definitely explain where the image was made, not although, but <em>because</em> next to nobody in the Fediverse could tell from looking at the image where it was made because even the sighted users would never have seen anything like it before.<br><br>I want to give everyone in the Fediverse the chance to see the image not only like any sighted person sees it, but like I see the original. This is also why I describe details and transcribe text so tiny that they're basically invisible in the image at its given resolution.<br><br>But in this special case, the images don't carry any information at all on where they're from. In other words, the information where they're from might be completely useless. Or it might not.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Metaverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Metaverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=VirtualWorlds" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">VirtualWorlds</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Inclusion" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inclusion</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Inclusivity" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inclusivity</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=A11y" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">A11y</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Accessibility" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Accessibility</a>
Jupiter RowlandNow I'm wondering again:<br><br>Let's suppose I have a series of 3-D virtual world images that have a plain white background because they were intentionally created in front of a plain white background. It's impossible to tell from the images where they were made, and when I post them, it won't matter within the context where they were made.<br><br>Any chances that someone out there might still want to know where exactly I've made these images? Either someone who doesn't know about these worlds, and who is totally curious about them, or one of those probably fewer than 20 Fediverse users who <em>does</em> know about these worlds, and who wants to know where I've gone to make these images?<br><br>I can easily spare the few hundred extra characters. The only character limit I have to worry about are the 100,000 characters above which Mastodon probably rejects a post from outside.<br><br>@<a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/accessibility" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">accessibility group</a> @<a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/a11y" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">a11y group</a><br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Metaverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Metaverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=VirtualWorlds" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">VirtualWorlds</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Inclusion" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inclusion</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Inclusivity" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inclusivity</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=A11y" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">A11y</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Accessibility" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Accessibility</a>
Jupiter RowlandI'd really like to do some virtual "photo-blogging" with multiple in-world pictures in each post, especially now that so many Christmas-themed and winter-themed sims are online.<br><br>But that's completely out of question if it takes me two days or more to adequately describe one measly image. Adequate image descriptions are increasingly becoming mandatory in posts that may end up on Mastodon.<br><br>I guess that even applies to Hubzilla articles although they don't federate through the Fediverse, simply because they're on Hubzilla, and Hubzilla is part of the Fediverse. (That said, articles have the advantage over posts of not being butchered by Mastodon's HTML sanitiser.) I do have a (streams) channel for in-world picture posts, but (streams) doesn't have articles, and so it kind of limits me to the maximum of four images per post that Mastodon allows.<br><br>Also, I've yet to find a way and a place to add long descriptions for images in posts in which the images are embedded within the text rather than at the end. Mind you, I'm not talking about the alt-text; I know where it goes. I'm talking about the long image descriptions which all my original in-world images get. Something that has grown up to 60,000 characters in length for one single image in the past.<br><br>So far, I've always added the long descriptions to the post itself. It's fairly easy to do if there's only one image, and it follows the actual post text with no more post text following the image. In that case, I simply add the long description after the image.<br><br>If there are multiple images, that's when things get tricky. I've tried adding each description right after the corresponding image for three images. I only had a wee little bit of actual post at the very beginning in this case. Still, there are over 37,000 characters of image description between the first and the second image. If Mastodon supported embedded images, hardly anyone would ever even scrolled down to the second image, much less the third one.<br><br>What seems to have worked better was what I did here and here with two images: First the post text, then the images, then the common image description preamble, then the individual image description parts for each image. The major downside is that there's a lot of text between each image and its corresponding description. And still, the actual post text is above the first image in its entirety.<br><br>Especially the third link leads to an image post in which I've "cheated" by reducing the surroundings to a minimum and the necessary image-describing effort along with them. It still took me eight hours to describe and explain both images, not including the alt-texts distilled from the long descriptions. And I still ended up with over 20,000 characters for the whole image description block.<br><br>Virtual photo-blogging would be something else. It'd show much, much more surroundings, probably more than in the first image post I've linked to. And it'd mean four images per post. Even if I didn't describe, explain or transcribe anything more than once, describing four images with a lot of landscape and decoration in them at sufficient levels of detail would take me well over a week, mornings to evenings, provided I can actually dedicate such a big chunk of time to nothing but describing images.<br><br>Also, the resulting image descriptions would be so massive that if I put them into the post, the post probably wouldn't go anywhere but Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) because it'd simply be too long. Mastodon, where accurate and adequately detailed image descriptions are a must, rejects all post over 100,000 characters as far as I know, and my post would exceed this limit. Pleroma and Akkoma have a lower limit, and I guess Misskey and its forks have even lower limits.<br><br>A while ago, someone suggested to me that I could upload the long descriptions someplace else and then link to them in my posts. That'd shorten and clean up the posts immensely, and it'd work with images embedded in-between sections of post text.<br><br>I've actually toyed with the idea and how to carry it out without having to rely on anything outside of Hubzilla. Ultimately, I've pretty much nixed it. Not only because it's untested and unreliable, but mostly because every image description except for the first would grow tremendously in length.<br><br>That's because all information that's relevant for all four images would have to be in all four image descriptions. If I have four image description files, each one with its own link below the corresponding image, I can't count on everyone opening the first description first, then the second description and so forth. But if someone only opens the description for the third or the fourth image, I want them to have all relevant information regardless without sending them to the previous descriptions.<br><br>Granted, it's probably more inconvenient for the readers than for me. If I need something four times, I can copy-paste it three times. The readers, on the other hand, have to endure largely the same unprecedentedly massive infodump up to four times over in one post. Even more often if a photoblog post continues in comments or other posts to include more than four images.<br><br>Still, not only do the readers have to deal with a whole lot of information to be able to fully understand my images, but I have to research and write it in the first place. Three or four photo-blogging posts with four images each, and I won't get to do anything else than describe images for a solid month.<br><br>Lastly, I'm not going to cut down the detail level of my image descriptions any further. I know that at least some people enjoy them. And I've hardly ever been criticised by sighted people and never by blind or visually-impaired people, let alone sanctioned by Mastodon's alt-text police, for writing too long and/or too detailed image descriptions. Maybe the alt-text police has yet to notice my image posts.<br><br>@<a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/accessibility" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">accessibility group</a> @<a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/a11y" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">a11y group</a><br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Metaverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Metaverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=VirtualWorlds" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">VirtualWorlds</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=A11y" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">A11y</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Accessibility" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Accessibility</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://cosocial.ca/@cogdog" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Alan Levine</a> Judging by the advice I've read so far, it's always best to describe the colour using basic colours plus attributes such as brightness, saturation and what other basic colour or colours the colour you describe is leaning towards.<br><br>For example, "light, yellowish orange", "a darker, slightly less saturated, slightly more brownish tone of orange", "various shades of slightly yellowish, medium-light-to-medium brown", "a solid, slightly pale medium blue with a minimal hint of green", "a medium-dark wood texture, slightly reddish, slightly greyish". All actually used by me in the long descriptions in <strong>(content warning: eye contact)</strong> <a href="https://streams.elsmussols.net/item/b6ae326a-c207-46dd-836b-6bc2b6a3509c" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this image post</a>.<br><br>If the name of the colour plays a role, use it and then describe the colour in the same way as above. Blind or visually-impaired people may not know what Prussian blue or Burgundy red looks like.<br><br>@<a href="https://stefanbohacek.online/@stefan" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stefan Bohacek</a> @<a href="https://mastodon.art/@FrostPoem" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">❄️Faerie❄️</a> @<a href="https://awscommunity.social/@cobalt" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">cobalt</a> @<a href="https://tweesecake.social/@BlindQuilter" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Tanya McGee Wheatley 💜🥰</a> What do you say, is that appropriate, complete overkill or still insufficient?<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://disabled.social/@raphaelmorgan" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Morgan ⚧️</a> Well, what I meant with "do what I do anyway" is not what everyone else does.<br><br>My Fediverse meme posts have fairly standard image descriptions. What may make them long and complex are the explanations. They matter in this context because everyone else would explain meme images in the alt-text, but explanations don't belong into alt-text. And meme posts about Fediverse things do need a lot of explanation if they go beyond Mastodon, and mine tend to go way beyond Mastodon.<br><br><strong>(Content warning: eye contact)</strong> <a href="https://streams.elsmussols.net/item/8829de04-af65-4fa5-a6fa-438103c7d6c8" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">My first attempt at a new meme-posting format on a new, specialised channel</a> was made under the assumption that Mastodon users prefer explanations given to them on a silver platter, right in the post itself which also contains the image. I was told a while ago that external links are bad and inconvenient and probably not accessible, and it's better to explain everything myself.<br><br>I always have to explain the meme template, and especially in this case, I also had to explain the topic. So I ended up with nine explanations on four or five levels with some 25,000 characters altogether, more than half of which went into the two explanations for the topic.<br><br>I couldn't imagine that this was actually what people wanted, seeing as it was generally Mastodon users who seemed to want me to explain everything, but at the same time, it's Mastodon users who complain the most loudly about long posts. And so <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/aeb3fcf9-48d4-44c8-88e0-b70c2336a512" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">I ran a poll</a> on how people <em>actually</em> wanted meme posts to be explained. At least of the few who voted, nobody wanted explanations in the post if they end up tens of thousands of characters long.<br><br>Ever since, I've delegated the meme template explanations to KnowYourMeme which I link to.<br><br>As for the topic, <strong>(content warning: eye contact, guns)</strong> <a href="https://streams.elsmussols.net/item/400df1f5-1d25-45cd-bfa3-3b4093b9de8a" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">sometimes it needs no explanation</a>. Sometimes ]<strong>(content warning: eye contact, food)</strong> <a href="https://streams.elsmussols.net/item/1e9fa857-db59-4e22-bdaf-f05ff6b0c268" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">it can entirely be covered by links</a>. Sometimes <strong>(content warning: eye contact)</strong> <a href="https://streams.elsmussols.net/item/572473d7-8087-4eb0-8dff-f44519a1c13e" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">I only need a short explanation</a>.<br><br>But in cases like <strong>(content warning: eye contact, swearing)</strong> <a href="https://streams.elsmussols.net/item/641bf10c-a56f-453e-a600-f1ae57a26a53" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this</a> or <strong>(content warning: eye contact, anger, crying, Japanese swearing)</strong> <a href="https://streams.elsmussols.net/item/ad44e605-618d-48ee-90ae-4bc15c6fa526" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this</a>, I have to write extensive explanations, even if I can link to a whole lot of external information sources.<br><br>For my original images, renderings from very obscure 3-D virtual worlds, I do much more. I always write two image descriptions for each image.<br><br>One goes into the alt-text, and it's as long as I can make it within the 1500-character limit imposed by Mastodon, Misskey and their forks. And that's the short description that's mostly only there to satisfy the "every image must have alt-text, no matter what" fundamentalists.<br><br>There's also a long description in the post itself which is much, much more detailed. It also contains all necessary explanations which I have to write myself because I can't really rely on external links. And if there's any text anywhere within the borders of the image, legible or not, verbatim transcripts of all these bits of text go into the long description.<br><br>My most recent example, already on my new image-posting channel, but from four months ago, is <strong>(content warning: eye contact)</strong> <a href="https://streams.elsmussols.net/item/b6ae326a-c207-46dd-836b-6bc2b6a3509c" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this</a>. I've taken care to have as little scenery or surrounding or anything else in the pictures as possible, and still, I ended up with over 20,000 characters of image description. <a href="https://streams.elsmussols.net/item/d67e641f-b1c2-46dd-9843-d1b88d362bb7" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Here</a> I explain why portraits are easier to describe.<br><br>A few examples with scenery, in chronological order, and much longer descriptions, and I consider them all outdated regardless: <strong>(content warning: eye contact, food)</strong> <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/8c2b4728-dda5-498b-9f84-2f11e163a4a5" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this</a>, <strong>(content warning: eye contact)</strong> <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/c8a14063-b4e2-48fa-baf9-cb4faef7225b" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this</a> and <strong>(content warning: eye contact)</strong> <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/f8ac991d-b64b-4290-be69-28feb51ba2a7" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this</a>.<br><br>The first two links also demonstrate how I used to describe pictures within a picture, even on three levels in the case of the second link. But if I had carried on doing this the same way for the image behind the third link, I would have had to describe over a hundred images in various locations on at least four levels. Besides, I would have described details that not only aren't visible in the image, but that aren't visible either in the place shown in the image. Also, this might have revealed eye contact or another trigger of sorts.<br><br>So I decided against describing things that cannot be seen in the shown place. This was the first time that I actually imposed a limitation on myself.<br><br>I could post many, many, many more scenery pictures, maybe even with <em>actual</em> scenery and with many more details. But it would always take me <em>days</em> to describe one of them. The last two image posts I've linked to required two days to write descriptions.<br><br>For example, <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/2cc2a459-97ce-4fbe-8aa2-86e367b5554e" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">I've been to a New Orleans-themed place</a> a month ago. It would have made for a gorgeous picture report. But it would have taken me at least a week and a half to only describe the four images that Mastodon would let through. In fact, Mastodon would have rejected the post anyway because, with the massive image descriptions, it would have exceeded 100,000 characters by far.<br><br>If you're wondering why my descriptions of virtual world images have to be so long and so detailed, <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/95b6e36d-7fcd-4791-8cc1-c93e8b9975a3" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">I've written an article about that</a>.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CW" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CW</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWs" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWs</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ContentWarning" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ContentWarning</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ContentWarnings" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ContentWarnings</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ContentWarningMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ContentWarningMeta</a>
Stefan Bohacek<p>Are there any fediverse servers where alt text is mandatory?</p><p><a href="https://stefanbohacek.online/tags/AltText" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AltText</span></a> <a href="https://stefanbohacek.online/tags/ImageDescriptions" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ImageDescriptions</span></a> <a href="https://stefanbohacek.online/tags/accessibility" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>accessibility</span></a> <a href="https://stefanbohacek.online/tags/MastoAdmin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MastoAdmin</span></a> <a href="https://stefanbohacek.online/tags/FediAdmin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FediAdmin</span></a></p>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://disabled.social/@raphaelmorgan" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Morgan ⚧️</a> I've spent two full days describing one image.<br><br>I feel bad when I can't describe something in an image the way I'd like to see myself describe it.<br><br>I keep coming across scenes that I think might make for nice pictures. But then I start trying to describe them in my head. And when I discover something that I can't properly describe, I don't even take the picture. I couldn't post it anyway without a description that's up to my standards.<br><br>I refuse to post images with realistic-looking buildings in them due to how complex they are to describe. After all, I'd have to first research architectural terminology and then explain it to my readers in the long image description.<br><br>A bit over a year ago, while working on an image description which, the next day (!), would <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/8c2b4728-dda5-498b-9f84-2f11e163a4a5" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">end at over 38,000 characters</a>, I realised that I had to describe three pictures of stellar nebulae. I didn't even really know how. I was about to abandon the whole image-posting project due to this. What I've eventually written still feels like a sub-par kludge, not to mention outdated a few times over.<br><br>I've read about people going back and alt-texting their entire backlog of image posts. I've wondered a few times if it is or should be recommended to go back and edit and improve your old image descriptions after you've learned something new in terms of describing images.<br><br>What do you think, is this genuine or not?<br><br>And seriously, I don't even know whom exactly I'm doing all this for because I almost never get any feedback in any form. I do it for whoever comes across one of my image posts. Since my new channel for original images (which I do these monstrous descriptions for) has only got nine followers, and my channel for Fediverse memes (which at least tend to come with extensive explanations) has only seven, it has to be a very rare occurrence that someone who really needs an image description finds one of my image posts.<br><br>But I guess the ultimate solution is to forget about "<a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/1e506e18-13c5-4bfb-aea9-c626e96a619c" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nothing About Us Without Us</a>" and do what I think is right until too many people come complaining. Which will probably amount to indefinitely.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=A11y" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">A11y</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Accessibility" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Accessibility</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mastodon.online/@darrell73" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Darrell Hilliker 👨🦯♾️📡</a> I think that's part of the issue, even if it's unavoidable: There's no one way to please everyone. And the more niche and special your content is, the harder it becomes to please as many disabled people as possible.<br><br>There's a saying: "<a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/1e506e18-13c5-4bfb-aea9-c626e96a619c" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nothing about us without us</a>." Don't assume what disabled people may need. Ask them. Talk to them. Listen to them.<br><br>But I guess the attitude in the Fediverse is that everything is said, everything is defined, everything is set in stone, and it'll work in 100% of all cases. No need to talk about it. You're expected to know it. Just do it.<br><br>I mean, I could just carry on assuming, based on what I've read here and there, even if that's technically the wrong thing. I know that there are at least some people who enjoy what I do, for whom it may be helpful.<br><br>I could just go on doing that and improving that, for any definition of improving. I could go on until enough people complain to me that I'm doing it completely wrong, and that staggering level of detail is bad for magnitudes more people than it helps. But this is unlikely to happen, seeing as how little feedback I receive.<br><br>I mean, at the end of the day, I can't really know whom I describe my images for. Do blind or visually impaired users even come across my image posts, seeing as they come from two different channels than this one now? Do those come across my image posts who demand sanctions for everyone who doesn't describe their images sufficiently? Are my extensive image descriptions and explanations useful for anyone?<br><br>Still, I go on putting huge efforts into describing them for the random stranger who stumbles upon one of them on some federated timeline, regardless of whether they're visually-impaired, blessed with a terribly slow Internet connection or a fully sighted alt-text enforcer.<br><br>And I will most likely go on increasing my efforts where I can. I'm currently polishing my way of describing persons or rather avatars. After all, I can see the alt-text quality requirements in the Fediverse be constantly raised, too. I need to stay ahead of them.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=A11y" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">A11y</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Accessibility" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Accessibility</a>
Jupiter RowlandApparently, accessibility is not about trying as hard as you can. It has to be about trying exactly the right amount of hard without even knowing what the right amount is because the right amount is different for everyone.<br><br>For the record: I refuse to post any image without sufficient description. And "sufficient description" may mean two descriptions, a short (and still long) one in the alt-text, a massive one in the post. If I can't describe it properly, I don't post it. And I'm trying to up my game and add new tricks and new elements to my descriptions.<br><br>On the one hand, disabled people demand being involved in the topic of accessibility. Before you do something, consult with those whom you want to help. Don't just simply assume what they may need. Ask them. Discuss things with them. <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/1e506e18-13c5-4bfb-aea9-c626e96a619c" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">I've written an article on this topic.</a><br><br>On the other hand, apparently, asking too much will get you branded ableist, all the way to your home instance with over users being on the brink of a fediblock.<br><br>Here's a comment I've written on <a href="https://wandering.shop/users/AlinaLeonova/statuses/113605362051803660" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this poll thread</a> by @<a href="https://wandering.shop/@AlinaLeonova" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Alina Leonova</a>. I've directed it to a blind user whom I may have asked once too much.<br><br> <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a><span><a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jupiter Rowland</a> wrote the following <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/display/4cd5e3e2-b43f-4ba3-8195-1c7590989940" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">post</a> <span class="">Fri, 06 Dec 2024 15:59:44 +0100</span></span> @<a href="https://caneandable.social/@WeirdWriter" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Robert Kingett</a> Honest question from an alt-text and image description perfectionist to a blind user: When is it actually accessible enough that whoever posts an image doesn't have to fear repercussions?<br><br>Okay, there has to be an alt-text. It has to actually describe the image. So much is clear to me.<br><br>And I guess that while at least some blind people in the Fediverse treasure whimsy higher than accuracy, others may want alt-text to be accurate.<br><br>But it looks to me like there is a rather narrow margin between alt-text with not enough details and alt-text that's too long and/or too detailed. This isn't communicated anywhere. It's unclear, too, whether that margin is always the same, or whether it shifts with the content of the image, the context and someone's individual idea of who the audience of an image post is.<br><br>And seriously, there are images that simply cannot be described in a way that's perfectly ideal and useful for absolutely everyone out there. I've posted such images in the past, and my image descriptions must have broken all length records in the Fediverse. But I think not everyone is happy about having to read through such monsters.<br><br>CC: @<a href="https://stefanbohacek.online/@stefan" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stefan Bohacek</a> @<a href="https://piaille.fr/@shtrom" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Olivier Mehani</a> @<a href="https://wandering.shop/@AlinaLeonova" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Alina Leonova</a><br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a> <br><br>Here is his reply in which he claims I'm an ableist who actually doesn't want to describe images. This is far from the truth.<br><br> <a href="https://caneandable.social/@WeirdWriter" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a><span><a href="https://caneandable.social/@WeirdWriter" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Robert Kingett</a> wrote the following <a href="https://caneandable.social/@WeirdWriter/113607604108734988" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">post</a> <span class="">Fri, 06 Dec 2024 20:47:46 +0100</span></span> You really don't think I remember you do you? You ask this question every single time in an attempt to badger users like me into getting away with *not* providing alt text because you wanna be ableist but try to pass it off as perfectionist. You will *never* please everybody, so to even try and to even is patronizing and ableist all by itself. I consider you to be nothing more than a troll. Look dude, if you don't wanna provide alt text then don't fucking provide it, but don't insult my intelligence with this obvious C lion tactic of I'm a perfectionist. I should have blocked you the first 900 times you asked this fucking obtuse/C lioning/ ableist / patronizing question. If you don't wanna provide alt text, just don't do it and never ask me this question again. <a href="https://caneandable.social/tags/AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AltText</a> <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@jupiter_rowland</a> <br><br>Here is my reply.<br><br> <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a><span><a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jupiter Rowland</a> wrote the following <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/display/2b641086-2539-4dc3-b18e-6583b4a4f7d4" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">post</a> <span class="">Fri, 06 Dec 2024 21:37:27 +0100</span></span> @<a href="https://caneandable.social/@WeirdWriter" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Robert Kingett</a> <blockquote>I should have blocked you the first 900 times you asked this fucking obtuse/C lioning/ ableist / patronizing question. If you don't wanna provide alt text, just don't do it and never ask me this question again.</blockquote><br>If I didn't care for accessibility, if I didn't want to describe my images, why would I want to satisfy everyone, all the way to random strangers who stumble upon my posts in some federated timeline? I shouldn't even want to satisfy anyone!<br><br>Why would I spend literal days, morning to evening, <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/f8ac991d-b64b-4290-be69-28feb51ba2a7" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">describing one image in all details</a>? Twice per image?<br><br>Why would I refuse to even take pictures, let alone post them, if they'll be too difficult to describe in a way that I consider sufficient?<br><br>Why would I pick up any advice on how to describe certain things, like people or colours, and consider any of my image descriptions that don't have this incorporated hopelessly outdated?<br><br>Why would I transcribe text that's too small for sighted people to read, just because all text in an image has to be described? Why would I feel bad about text that I couldn't transcribe and then try to find a source for that piece of text? And yes, I do.<br><br>Why would I be literally the only one in the entire Fediverse who tries to tell people that and why explanations don't go into the alt-text because people with certain disabilities can't access alt-text, and any information that's only available in alt-text is lost to them?<br><br>And why would I warn sensitive people about eyes or food that's in the image on a microscopic sub-pixel level if I didn't care? And yes, I actually did that. <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/c8a14063-b4e2-48fa-baf9-cb4faef7225b" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">In my post with my second-longest image description</a>.<br><br>Just because I don't just simply shut up and describe my images exactly on point like you personally want them described, doesn't justify insulting me as an ableist.<br><br>CC: @<a href="https://wandering.shop/@AlinaLeonova" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Alina Leonova</a><br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Ableist" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ableist</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Ableism" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ableism</a> <br><br>In the meantime, he wrote and sent this post in which he called for a fediblock of either my channel or the entirety of hub.netzgemeinde.eu, the biggest Hubzilla instance.<br><br> <a href="https://caneandable.social/@WeirdWriter" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a><span><a href="https://caneandable.social/@WeirdWriter" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Robert Kingett</a> wrote the following <a href="https://caneandable.social/@WeirdWriter/113607848031668067" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">post</a> <span class="">Fri, 06 Dec 2024 21:49:48 +0100</span></span> Link at end. I'm unsure if <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@jupiter_rowland</a> is on his own instance, but <a href="https://caneandable.social/tags/Fediblock" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fediblock</a> for concerned trolling and ableist behavior by being patronizing to disabled people about alt text. I can't find others on his instance, but every, single time, the person posts the same question over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, and expects disabled people to tell this person because you can't describe every thing in an image you don't have to do alt text. Or maybe my temper is just short today, but here's the question. This isn't genuine curiocity because he asks the, same, question, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. No answer is to his satisfaction. Nobdoy waste your time with this obnoxious troll. If it turns out I am lashing out of anger and have misjudged, will delete the post but <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/4cd5e3e2-b43f-4ba3-8195-1c7590989940" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/4cd5e3e2-b43f-4ba3-8195-1c7590989940</a> <br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteBoost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteBoost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=A11y" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">A11y</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Accessibility" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Accessibility</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Ableist" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ableist</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Ableism" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ableism</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediblockMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediblockMeta</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://caneandable.social/@WeirdWriter" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Robert Kingett</a> Honest question from an alt-text and image description perfectionist to a blind user: When is it actually accessible enough that whoever posts an image doesn't have to fear repercussions?<br><br>Okay, there has to be an alt-text. It has to actually describe the image. So much is clear to me.<br><br>And I guess that while at least some blind people in the Fediverse treasure whimsy higher than accuracy, others may want alt-text to be accurate.<br><br>But it looks to me like there is a rather narrow margin between alt-text with not enough details and alt-text that's too long and/or too detailed. This isn't communicated anywhere. It's unclear, too, whether that margin is always the same, or whether it shifts with the content of the image, the context and someone's individual idea of who the audience of an image post is.<br><br>And seriously, there are images that simply cannot be described in a way that's perfectly ideal and useful for absolutely everyone out there. I've posted such images in the past, and my image descriptions must have broken all length records in the Fediverse. But I think not everyone is happy about having to read through such monsters.<br><br>CC: @<a href="https://stefanbohacek.online/@stefan" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stefan Bohacek</a> @<a href="https://piaille.fr/@shtrom" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Olivier Mehani</a> @<a href="https://wandering.shop/@AlinaLeonova" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Alina Leonova</a><br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWAltTextMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWAltTextMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a>
Alt Text Hall of Fame<p>Someone once posted a short study on the quality of alt text of images posted here, not just whether it's present. </p><p>Does this ring any bells? Can't seem to find it anymore.</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/AltText" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AltText</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/ImageDescriptions" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ImageDescriptions</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/accessibility" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>accessibility</span></a></p>
Stefan Bohacek<p>I find myself having to search through my old and bookmarked posts when the topic of alt text on social media comes up, so I'm just going to put some of the relevant polls I've posted over the past few months here on my blog.</p><p><a href="https://stefanbohacek.com/blog/polls-about-alt-text-on-social-media/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">stefanbohacek.com/blog/polls-a</span><span class="invisible">bout-alt-text-on-social-media/</span></a></p><p><a href="https://stefanbohacek.online/tags/AltText" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AltText</span></a> <a href="https://stefanbohacek.online/tags/SocialMedia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SocialMedia</span></a> <a href="https://stefanbohacek.online/tags/ImageDescriptions" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ImageDescriptions</span></a></p>
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