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DegrowthUKThe correct take on this is that some (clean, socially relevant) sectors of the economy must grow while others must contract, but within an overall envelope of massive, managed and socially just reduction of overall energy and material flows.Britain’s net zero economy is booming, CBI says | Green economy | The Guardian <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/feb/24/britain-net-zero-economy-booming-cbi-green-sector-jobs-energy-security" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/feb/24/britain-net-zero-economy-booming-cbi-green-sector-jobs-energy-security</a><a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/LimitsToGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LimitsToGrowth</a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/degrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#degrowth</a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/NetZero" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#NetZero</a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/CBI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CBI</a>

Jochen FrommTo me discussions about <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/globalwarming" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#globalwarming</a> and <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/climatechange" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#climatechange</a> seem to be too 1-dimensional. As if all we need is to tweak a single number in one dimension. Global warming is just one aspect of a bigger problem, the <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/limitstogrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#limitstogrowth</a> problem described by Dennis Meadows et al 50 years ago.First usage of fossil fuels creates many kinds of pollution: sulfur dioxide (SO2), carbon dioxide (CO2) and nitrogen oxides (NOX). Burning of fossil fuels creates particulate matter in the air. Oils spills from accidents like the Deepwater Horizon destroy ecosystems and cause environmental disasters. Second while the rise in global temperatures caused by burning of fossil fuel remains certainly one of the biggest problems, there are other problems caused by our non-sustainable lifestyle, including plastic pollution, overfishing, overpopulation, deforestation, ocean acidification, waste disposal, etc.Dennis Meadows et al have shown that exponential growth based on non-renewable resources in a finite world eventually leads to a collapse of the whole system. While resources decline, population and pollution go up, until they reach a peak and the system starts to <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/collapse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#collapse</a>. Unlimited growth is not possible in a limited system, and yet our economic system is based on it. <a href="https://netzero2050.substack.com/p/limits-and-beyond?s=r" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://netzero2050.substack.com/p/limits-and-beyond?s=r</a>

Jochen FrommNow that we are reaching <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/limitstogrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#limitstogrowth</a> worldwide some of us are wondering where the imperative for growth which is so destructive and devastating for <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/nature" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#nature</a> comes from. Stock markets, corporations and their relentless desire for constant <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/growth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#growth</a> have their roots in European <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/colonialism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#colonialism</a> and <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/imperalism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#imperalism</a>. Joint-stock companies like the East India Company, the Virginia Company, the British South Africa Company or the South Sea Company helped to build the British empire as Philip J. Stern describes in his book [1]. This joint-stock venture colonialism laid the foundation for modern corporations and stock markets. The British East India Company, French Mississippi Company, Dutch East India Company, and German Brandenburg African Company were the first European stock corporations.Investment in joint-stock companies allowed investors including the royal family itself to gain large profits at high risks, similar to investors in whaling ventures which shared risks and profits. Modern venture capital was born, and venture colonialism turned over time into venture capitalism [2]. In this sense colonialism enabled imperialism and led to <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/capitalism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#capitalism</a>.[1] Empire, Incorporated: The Corporations That Built British Colonialism, Philip J. Stern, Harvard University Press, 2023 <a href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674988125" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674988125</a>[2] VC: An American History, Tom Nicholas, Harvard University Press, 2019 <a href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674988002" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674988002</a>

kali<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/systemsthinking" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#systemsthinking</a> <a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/systemsthinking" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@systemsthinking</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/limitstogrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#limitstogrowth</a>

kali<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/systemsthinking" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#systemsthinking</a> <a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/systemsthinking" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@systemsthinking</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/limitstogrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#limitstogrowth</a>

Jochen FrommJohn Scales Avery (1933-2024) was an American theoretical chemist. In his book "Civilization's Crisis" he argues that civilization as a whole faces a set of linked challenges. <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/ClimateChange" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ClimateChange</a> is caused by consumption of non-renewable <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/FossilFuels" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FossilFuels</a> but it is just one aspect of a bigger crisis. Other aspects are <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/Deforestation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Deforestation</a>, <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/OceanAcidification" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OceanAcidification</a>, <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/NuclearWaste" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#NuclearWaste</a> and <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/pollution" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#pollution</a> in general. <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/ResourceDepletion" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ResourceDepletion</a> and <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/VanishingResources" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#VanishingResources</a> in combination with <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/OverPopulation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OverPopulation</a> will eventually lead to a <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/collapse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#collapse</a> of <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/civilization" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#civilization</a> in this century according to <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/systemdynamics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#systemdynamics</a> and classic <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/limitstogrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#limitstogrowth</a> models. The turning point is <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/PeakOil" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#PeakOil</a> or the <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/HubbertPeak" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#HubbertPeak</a> which we are reaching now. <a href="https://www.worldscientific.com/worldscibooks/10.1142/10501" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.worldscientific.com/worldscibooks/10.1142/10501</a>More articles from John can be found here <a href="https://www.johnavery.info/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.johnavery.info/</a>

Sally StrangeRevisiting "Limits To Growth" on its 50th anniversary: "Scientists have also sought to assess the validity of the Limits to Growth model by looking at how well it fits historical trends since its publication. Previous studies have explored how the various runs of the Limits to Growth model compare with actual trends and suggest that the world is most closely tracking the Double Resources scenario, which differs from the Standard Run in its assumption that the initial stock of non-renewable resources is twice as large as the Standard Run resource stock (figure 1). In this scenario, collapse occurs later and is driven not by scarcity of non-renewable resources (ie, a source limit), as in the Standard Run, but by persistent pollution and its impact on ecosystem stability (ie, a sink limit, otherwise known as a regenerative capacity limit)."<a href="https://eldritch.cafe/tags/DeGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeGrowth</a> <a href="https://eldritch.cafe/tags/LimitsToGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LimitsToGrowth</a> <a href="https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(24)00310-3/fulltext" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(24)00310-3/fulltext</a>

Leftist LawyerYou've heard of the <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/LimitsToGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LimitsToGrowth</a> study by the <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/ClubOfRome" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ClubOfRome</a>, right? Well, <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/TIL" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#TIL</a> there is an interactive viewer. Where, say, if a bunch of crazed <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/technofascists" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#technofascists</a> took power and ramped up strip mining the planet -- you could toggle the parameters to view the global impact. Pretty cool. You can find it here: <a href="http://bit-player.org/extras/limits/ltg.html" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">http://bit-player.org/extras/limits/ltg.html</a><a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/Climate" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Climate</a> <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/ClimateCrisis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ClimateCrisis</a> <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/Degrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Degrowth</a> <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/Environment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Environment</a>

kalii thing i did when trump was elected the first time and hey, i think we are making progress on that :)<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/policrisis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#policrisis</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/limitstogrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#limitstogrowth</a>

Dale Hagglund<a href="https://mastodon.green/@gerrymcgovern" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@gerrymcgovern</a> I think you might find it interesting to check out the first video (or however many catch your interest) of this playlist on "Metastatic Modernity" by Dr Tom Murphy of UCSD.Murphy has been writing on energy, economy, modernity, and their intersection with planetary limits for quite a while at his Do The Math blog, and although that started in a pretty standard "green tech" position, as he started to look at things from a deeper, and rather darker, perspective which in 2021 he turned into an e-textbook _Energy and Human Ambition on a Finite Planet_.Anyway, sorry for dropping in from nowhere.<a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/climate" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#climate</a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/modernity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#modernity</a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/DoTheMath" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DoTheMath</a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/overshoot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#overshoot</a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/LimitsToGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LimitsToGrowth</a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/sustainability" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#sustainability</a> <a href="https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvUde-N4t8XncjoHqK0GsE7a6EXMRiyjH&si=10IAmdlEF16Q2BnS" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvUde-N4t8XncjoHqK0GsE7a6EXMRiyjH&si=10IAmdlEF16Q2BnS</a>

kalia friend, systems guy has this theory that <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/fascism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#fascism</a> arises from local <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/limitstogrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#limitstogrowth</a>-collapses resulting in rampant inequality. in the US that might have been the 2008 crisis.

kaliin <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/resource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#resource</a> news:"The American shale boom may be in its final act. Crude production peaked in November 2023, down 2% (200,000 bpd) since, while gas dropped 1% (1 bcf/d). Models predict a steeper decline ahead." ~@aeberman<a href="https://blog.gorozen.com/blog/the-depletion-paradox" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://blog.gorozen.com/blog/the-depletion-paradox</a><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/limitstogrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#limitstogrowth</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/peakoil" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#peakoil</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/fracking" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#fracking</a>

JNSLCT‘We need dramatic social and technological changes’: is societal collapse inevitable?Academic Danilo Brozović says studies of failed civilisations all point in one direction – today’s society needs radical transformation to survive<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/dec/28/we-need-dramatic-social-and-technological-changes-is-societal-collapse-inevitable" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/dec/28/we-need-dramatic-social-and-technological-changes-is-societal-collapse-inevitable</a><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/climate" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#climate</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/pollution" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#pollution</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/erosion" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#erosion</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/biodiversity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#biodiversity</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/limitsToGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#limitsToGrowth</a>

kaliwe have a control knob for GDP growth, btw. it's the price of <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/energy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#energy</a>. i know, no one wants to hear that. good thing about this is: that one comes all back to wealth equality, for 2 reasons:1) people who consume less contribute less to the mess. meeting your basic needs is not the majority of the problem.2) in countries with more socially fair policy energy consumption seems to correlate less with GDP.<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/limitstogrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#limitstogrowth</a>

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