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Silkester<p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Mastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Mastodon</span></a> developer shouldn't be the cataloguing via hashtags be a separate entity and not cut into the character count?</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/HashtagSuggestions" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>HashtagSuggestions</span></a> based on the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/content" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>content</span></a> are not that hard to implement and offered in a two step publishing process.</p><p>Seriously! Please, remind me not to forget <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/indexing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>indexing</span></a> posts with <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/hashtags" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>hashtags</span></a> and separate it from the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/CharacterCount" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CharacterCount</span></a> </p><p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Sigh" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Sigh</span></a>!</p>
Cliff<p>What's the post character count limit for your instance on Mastodon?</p><p>Meaning, when you make a post here on Mastodon, how many characters per post can you type?</p><p>For example, currently <a href="https://allthingstech.social/tags/AllThingsTech" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AllThingsTech</span></a> has the default Mastodon 500 character count limit.</p><p>If your instance has more than a 1,000 character count limit, please comment and let me know.</p><p>Please BOOST for maximum exposure to the <a href="https://allthingstech.social/tags/Fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Fediverse</span></a> </p><p><a href="https://allthingstech.social/tags/Poll" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Poll</span></a> <a href="https://allthingstech.social/tags/Polls" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Polls</span></a> <a href="https://allthingstech.social/tags/POTD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>POTD</span></a> <a href="https://allthingstech.social/tags/Question" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Question</span></a> <a href="https://allthingstech.social/tags/Questions" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Questions</span></a> <a href="https://allthingstech.social/tags/QOTD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>QOTD</span></a> <a href="https://allthingstech.social/tags/CharacterCount" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CharacterCount</span></a> <a href="https://allthingstech.social/tags/Limit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Limit</span></a></p>
Bette<p>How did we ever survive the 140 character limit for posts? It was great when it was raised to 280, and now it feels like 500 is not enough. </p><p><a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Limits" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Limits</span></a> <br><a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Birdsite" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Birdsite</span></a> <br><a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/CharacterCount" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CharacterCount</span></a></p>
Jupiter RowlandWhen you've just written a post or a comment.<br><br>When you discover it's over 500 characters.<br><br>When you start pondering how you could shorten it to appease Mastodon users.<br><br>And when you decide that it's much easier to add the <code>#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost</code> filter-triggering hashtags and, if it's a post, a Mastodon-style long-post content warning in the summary.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hashtag</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hashtags" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hashtags</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=HashtagMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">HashtagMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWHashtagMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWHashtagMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterCount" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterCount</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=500Characters" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">500Characters</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://catodon.social/@panos" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Panos Damelos (Catodon) :catodon:</a> What's even worse is that just about everyone who joined the Fediverse in the last two years did so with the belief that the Fediverse is Mastodon, i.e. the Fediverse is nothing more than micro-blogging with a maximum of 500 characters.<br><br>Many more still believe so than you may think. And I'm not talking about total newbies, but even about second-wave Twitter refugees who came here right after Musk had bought the birdsite.<br><br>For others, the first encounter with an over-500-character post was not only completely unexpected, catching them entirely off-guard, but utterly <em>shocking and disturbing</em>.<br><br>Now they want their nice, friendly, cosy, fluffy, comfy Fediverse back that's only vanilla Mastodon.<br><br>A few actually want a total, absolute, Fediverse-wide ban on posts over 500 characters. Others are looking for technical means that block any and all posts with over 500 characters server-side, and I think they aren't limited to those still stuck on the official phone app that doesn't fold longer posts in because it was built not only against only Mastodon, but against Mastodon being the only Fediverse project.<br><br>As long as they don't get that, they complain and mute or out-right block anyone from whom they spot a post with over 500 characters in their federated timeline. And I guess they're so numerous after all that this behaviour cuts deep into the range of everyone who isn't on vanilla Mastodon.<br><br>This exactly is why I <em>always</em> add the hashtags #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a>, #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a>, #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> and #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> to everything that goes out of here that exceeds 500 characters. Raw count in a text editor, not fancy Mastodon way of counting. And if it's a post as opposed to a comment, I also add a Mastodon-style CW like "CW: long (5,204 characters)" although Hubzilla a) doesn't have Mastodon-style CWs in the summary field as part of its culture and b) has something much better instead.<br><br>Still, hardly anyone reads these posts.<br><br>It really seems like the only way to get my posts significant exposure on Mastodon is by actually staying below 500. Considering the amount of hashtags I need for my posts to both be discoverable and trigger filters, and considering that I didn't come from 140/280 characters to 500 characters, but I'm used to not having a character limit, it's a struggle. I often end up giving up, exceeding 500 characters and pulling all long post warning stops because that's easier for me.<br><br>It doesn't help that everyone who joins Mastodon believes that Eugen Rochko has invented the Fediverse. Bonus points for Rochko having invented both Mastodon and the Fediverse in 2022 as a reaction upon Musk's announcement to buy out Twitter. If they haven't heard of it any earlier, it probably hasn't existed any earlier.<br><br>When they're wondering what kind of witchcraft you're pulling off with your impossibly long post, not to mention stuff like bold type or italics or a bullet-point list, and you've managed to get into their heads that you are, in fact, <em>not on Mastodon</em>, they still think that whatever you're on was bolted onto Mastodon by someone.<br><br>Even if you manage to convince them that, no, what you're using is being developed entirely independently from Mastodon, they still think it was made after Mastodon. And they wonder why it deviates so much from Mastodon instead of mimicking it. Or why it exists at all if there's already Mastodon.<br><br>However, this also means that they see everything in the Fediverse that isn't Mastodon <em>as an intruder in Mastodon's Fediverse</em> because, of course, Mastodon was here first. And everything that isn't Mastodon has to conform to Mastodon's unwritten rules and adopt Mastodon's culture. In fact, if something isn't Mastodon, it isn't allowed to have its own culture if that culture differs from Mastodon's.<br><br>This also means that nothing that isn't Mastodon is allowed to make use of any features that Mastodon itself doesn't have because they disturb some Mastodonians.<br><br>Of course, at this point, you could and actually should tell them the truth.<br><br>Rochko did, in fact, <em>not</em> invent the Fediverse. Because when Mastodon was launched, the Fediverse had already existed for about eight years. Without Rochko's doing.<br><br>When Mastodon was launched, it immediately connected itself to StatusNet, Friendica, Hubzilla and Pleroma. The last three of these are actually still around, still part of the Fediverse, and Mastodon is still connected to them.<br><br>So, you should ask them, why do you think Friendica would accept to throw six years more worth of culture than Mastodon has and 80% of its features out of the window and start behaving like a Mastodon clone?<br><br>If they don't block you on the spot for not unconditionally surrendering to the new Mastodon overlords, you could try to compare the pre-Mastodon Fediverse projects to Native Americans and Mastodon to white European colonists.<br><br>Oh, and by the way: Before Mastodon, character limits in general were an exception rather than the standard, especially if Diaspora* is taken into account.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NotOnlyMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NotOnlyMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MastodonIsNotTheFediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MastodonIsNotTheFediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseIsNotMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseIsNotMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterCount" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterCount</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimit</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimits</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=500Characters" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">500Characters</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://morphnet.de/@morph" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">morph</a> But not everyone uses Fedilab.<br><br>Especially newbies who think the Fediverse is only the nice and cosy and fluffy Mastodon they've just discovered are often on the official app. The offical app doesn't fold long posts in. If I post 77,000 characters, and I <em>have</em> posted 77,000 characters in the past, users of this app get all 77,000 characters onto their screens with no way to fold them in.<br><br>I'm not sure, but I think TootSuite doesn't roll long posts in either.<br><br>The Web UI folds posts over 2,000 characters in to a length of ca. 1,500 characters. That's still way over the 500 characters that your typical Twitter-to-Mastodon refugee expects to be the Fediverse-wide upper limit.<br><br>As for literally nobody being disturbed about posts over 500 characters, here are a few quote-posts of actual Mastodon posts. These aren't the only two people upset about over-500-character posts; there are plenty more, but they're hard to find with hashtag searches.<br><br> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@PropCazhPM" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a><span><a href="https://mastodon.social/@PropCazhPM" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Citizen.Coping</a> wrote the following <a href="https://mastodon.social/@PropCazhPM/112130356804325743" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">post</a> <span class="">Wed, 20 Mar 2024 23:24:21 +0100</span></span> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@Gargron" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@Gargron</a> <br><br>Being able to mute or filter posts that exceed 500 characters would be great. <br><br>Search is not good because it returns too many dissertations. <br><br> <a href="https://scicomm.xyz/@benjaminbuse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a><span><a href="https://scicomm.xyz/@benjaminbuse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">benjaminbuse</a> wrote the following <a href="https://scicomm.xyz/@benjaminbuse/110971743720108024" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">post</a> <span class="">Tue, 29 Aug 2023 09:33:49 +0200</span></span> Always disappointed when people exceed <a href="https://scicomm.xyz/tags/500Characters" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#500Characters</a> reminds of when <a href="https://scicomm.xyz/tags/twitter" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#twitter</a> brought out paid subscription with longer <a href="https://scicomm.xyz/tags/CharacterLimit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CharacterLimit</a><br><br>500 characters is lengthy micro blogging, longer is not<br><br>The freedom of different instances (servers) but I won’t favourite or boost anything exceeding 500<br><br><a href="https://scicomm.xyz/tags/LessIsMore" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LessIsMore</a><br><a href="https://scicomm.xyz/tags/ThreadsArePossible" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ThreadsArePossible</a> <br><br>Or look at <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/1021b942-b7e9-4722-8ceb-825ac81be1d9" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this poll on CWs for long posts</a> which I ran two months ago. Of 19 participants, 4 (21%) want CWs for posts over 500 characters, and 1 (5%) wants them banned Fediverse-wide entirely.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterCount" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterCount</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=500Characters" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">500Characters</a>
Jupiter RowlandUnpopular opinion: I hope Hubzilla won't stick to sending Note-type objects forever. It still has the Article-type/Note-type switch that was introduced with Hubzilla 9 on Friday, but as I've just discovered, a recent hotfix has basically rendered that switch useless, and Hubzilla only sends Note-type objects again.<br><br>Article-type objects have a lot of advantages. Yes, on Mastodon. Whether Mike or Mario or anyone else on Hubzilla or (streams) likes it or not.<br><br>With Note-type objects, I have to count characters and, when a post exceeds 500 characters, issue long post content warnings like the one above and add the filter-triggering hashtags #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a>, #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a>, #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> and #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a>. That's because posts with over 500 characters disturb so many Mastodon users, especially those on a phone using the official Mastodon app that doesn't fold posts over 500 characters in.<br><br>With Article-type objects, I wouldn't have to do that because Mastodon would reduce even an 80,000-character monster post to a cute little link with title, summary and hashtags. Much easier on Mastodon users than having 80,000 characters slammed into their faces right away.<br><br>With Note-type objects, I have to link to sensitive images because Mastodon refuses to hide images embedded in or attached to Hubzilla posts, no matter what I do.<br><br>With Article-type objects, I wouldn't have to do that because Mastodon would have people click or tap the link to the original post before they can see the post with the sensitive image in it. Of course, that link would be accompanied by an appropriate content warning.<br><br>That said, Mastodon might still automatically use that sensitive image as the preview image for the link. There'd be nothing you can do against it on Hubzilla except for adding another safe image first and hoping Mastodon will pick that one. But that'd require one more image description.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ActivityPub" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ActivityPub</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla%209" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla 9</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterCount" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterCount</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=500Characters" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">500Characters</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=UnpopularOpinion" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">UnpopularOpinion</a>
Jupiter Rowland"Write your posts as long as you want," they say.<br><br>"Don't be apologetic about it," they say.<br><br>"Literally everyone in the whole Fediverse has gotten used to posts over 500 characters, and nobody minds anymore," they say.<br><br>"Literally everyone on Mastodon is perfectly okay with all of Hubzilla's antics," they say.<br><br>"Nobody wants the Fediverse to only be vanilla Mastodon," they say.<br><br>Oh, really? Then I've probably faked this shared post here.<br><br> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@PropCazhPM" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a><span><a href="https://mastodon.social/@PropCazhPM" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Citizen.Coping</a> wrote the following <a href="https://mastodon.social/@PropCazhPM/112130356804325743" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">post</a> <span class="">Wed, 20 Mar 2024 23:24:21 +0100</span></span> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@Gargron" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@Gargron</a> <br><br>Being able to mute or filter posts that exceed 500 characters would be great. <br><br>Search is not good because it returns too many dissertations. <br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPosts" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPosts</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongToots" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongToots</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPostMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPostMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPostMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPostMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuotePost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuotePost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=QuoteBoost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">QuoteBoost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterCount" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterCount</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimit</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimits</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=500Characters" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">500Characters</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Sarcasm" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sarcasm</a>
Jupiter Rowland@<a class="" href="https://streams.phanisvara.com/channel/phani" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">phanisvara (streams)</a> Yes, but many Mastodon users can't stand to see posts with over 500 characters. Not only do they refuse to read "long" posts, but some actually block anyone who exceeds 500 characters in a post even only once.<br><br>I'm pretty sure some ask their Mastodon instance admins to deal with such people. Have them blocked instance-wide. Have their whole Hubzilla hub blocked on that Mastodon instance.<br><br>Or they try to use Mastodon's report feature to report that Hubzilla user to the admin of that Hubzilla hub, or they have their admin try and get into contact with the admin of that Hubzilla hub, just to have that Hubzilla user sanctioned for breaking some unwritten Mastodon etiquette by posting over 500 characters in one chunk.<br><br>Of course, they fail in both cases. Hubzilla doesn't support Mastodon's report feature, and mentioning Hubzilla users, in this case the admin, in a public post won't work either. Verdict: That Hubzilla hub is unmoderated and therefore has to be blocked or even out-right Fediblocked.<br><br>On the grounds of the assumption that Hubzilla works exactly like Mastodon. Which I'm trying to debunk with this series of posts.<br><br>As at least one of my polls has revealed, there seems to be a not insignificant number of Mastodon users who demand posts with over 500 characters be banned <em>absolutely everywhere in the Fediverse</em>. Including in conversation between users on other projects, regardless of whether overly long posts from that conversation might leak into Mastodon or not.<br><br>And, of course, there's the Mastodon police that try to urge non-Mastodon users to limit their posts to a maximum of 500 characters, regardless of whether they're aware that the user in question is on something else than Mastodon or not. They're fully convinced that Mastodon was here first, and all the other projects are intruders in Mastodon's Fediverse and have to follow Mastodon's rules.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterCount" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterCount</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimit</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimits</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=500Characters" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">500Characters</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a>
Jupiter RowlandA meme post can be<br><ul><li>accessible by having a sufficiently detailed description of the image and explanation of the meme <em>in the post itself</em><br></li><li>short enough for Mastodon users to be willing to read it (500 characters or fewer)</li></ul> Choose one. Only one. You can't have both.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Accessibility" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Accessibility</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=A11y" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">A11y</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWImageDescriptionMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWImageDescriptionMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=500Characters" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">500Characters</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterCount" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterCount</a>
Jupiter RowlandVotes are in for <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/1021b942-b7e9-4722-8ceb-825ac81be1d9" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">another poll</a>. This time it was about whether or not long posts should have a content warning.<br><br>The majority of Mastodon voters (9 of 14) voted against it, but roughly one out of three Mastodon voters voted in favour of it.<br><br>Even if I'll definitely ignore the one voter who wants posts over 500 characters banned all over the entire Fediverse, I'm not sure what to make of it myself. I mean, I almost always post over 500 characters.<br><br>On the one hand, content warnings for over 500 characters have their place. There seems to be at least one app that was built under the assumption that the Fediverse is only vanilla Mastodon, and there will never be over 500 characters in the Fediverse, so folding posts is unnecessary. Thus, it can't fold posts, and it shows <em>all</em> posts at their full length. Other frontends may offer the option to always unfold all posts, and users who thought that no post will ever exceed 500 character anyway have chosen that option.<br><br>I've only got one way to keep my posts from showing up in their timelines as gigantic walls of texts, and that's a summary which appears as a content warning on Mastodon. In fact, I've always added the character count, so people know beforehand if that post has only 700 character or over 75,000, and they can decide whether or not to open it. And yes, I've once posted over 77,000 characters in one post.<br><br>On the other hand, I guess that Mastodon users are blocking me left and right for my long posts anyway, regardless of whether or not I issue a content warning. I think there are tens of thousands of Mastodon users who have blocked me meanwhile.<br><br>The worst offenders, I think, have to be my rare image posts. Mastodon wants image descriptions. Image descriptions which actually describe what's in the image sufficiently both for the context and for the target audience and which also explain what the target audience doesn't know or understand. Yes, I do that, but for <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/95b6e36d-7fcd-4791-8cc1-c93e8b9975a3" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">reasons I've already explained in an article</a>, I always have a lot to describe and explain. This, however, means that I regularly put more characters into the description of one image than many prolific alt-text writers on Mastodon put into all their alt-texts of one whole month. And such a description can only go one place. That isn't the alt-text, that's the post.<br><br>So if I don't describe my images, my image posts may not be boosted, and Mastodon users may pester me to write alt-texts. But when I <em>do</em> describe my images, the posts aren't boosted either due to being too long and not even interesting, and Mastodon users block me out-right for excessively long posts. A content warning won't change anything.<br><br>Besides, I can't put Mastodon-style content warnings on replies anyway. On Hubzilla, replies aren't just posts like any other post. Hubzilla is not a Twitter clone. On Hubzilla, replies are comments like blog comments or Facebook comments or Tumblr comments. They even have their own dedicated entry masks while Mastodon has one for everything. And those entry masks don't have a summary field which is the same as Mastodon's CW field. I mean, who would put a summary on a blog comment?<br><br>Lastly, no warnings for my long posts reduces the effort for me. See, Hubzilla doesn't have a character counter, not in the post editor and not in the comment editor either. It doesn't need a character counter. It doesn't have any character limit to worry about.<br><br>So whenever I write a post, I generate a preview, then I copy the preview into a text editor, e.g. Mousepad, then I count the characters. And if they're over 500, I write a summary including a "CW: long (<em>[insert rough or exact character count here]</em> characters)" content warning and the four hashtags #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a>, #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a>, #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> and #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> for those who have filters for long posts which either remove them entirely or generate content warnings for them. So my long posts always grow longer by another 36 characters due to these hashtags. But I guess nobody filters either of these hashtags anyway.<br><br>I think I don't have to do either if people block me for my long posts anyway. I mean, I'll go on issuing content warnings for what might disturb Mastodon users; see this very post. And I'll go on issuing them two-fold, both as a Mastodon-style CW in the summary field and as filter-triggering hashtags. But maybe long-post warnings are ultimately useless because they don't change anything.<br><br>P.S.: Of course, non-Mastodon users don't care either way. My fellows on Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) are used to massive walls of texts as regular posts because that has been part of their culture since 2010. They can't see how this could possibly be a problem. People on Misskey and the Forkeys are used to long posts, too, and besides, the *keys apparently reject posts with over 10,000 characters anyway.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterCount" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterCount</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CW" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CW</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWs" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWs</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ContentWarning" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ContentWarning</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ContentWarnings" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ContentWarnings</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ContentWarningMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ContentWarningMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPosts" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPosts</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPostMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPostMeta</a>
Jupiter RowlandI've recently sent a post with 26,000+ characters. The delivery report tells me that every last *key instance had problems with it.<br><br>They often rejected it entirely with an error 413. (<code>delivery rejected: 413 {"statusCode":413,"code":"FST_ERR_CTP_BODY_TOO_LARGE","error":"Payload Too Large","message":"Re</code>)<br><br>This means that Misskey and the Forkeys have a hard limit not at 50,000 characters as I previously thought, but at 25,000 characters, 20,000 characters or even lower, and they refuse to accept any incoming objects that are longer. I mean, I know that Mastodon has a 100,000-character limit that acts the same, and I think I've read that so have Pleroma and Akkoma, but <em>that</em> limit has to be ridiculously low. Essentially, I can barely send virtual world pictures with sufficient image descriptions out to Misskey and the Forkeys.<br><br>Of course, this stays largely unnoticed because there are only so many users in the Fediverse who a) write posts that grow that long and b) have access to delivery reports for their own posts. Another advantage of being on Hubzilla.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterCount" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterCount</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimit" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimit</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterLimits" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterLimits</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pleroma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Akkoma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkeys" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkeys</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Firefish" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Firefish</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Iceshrimp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Iceshrimp</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Sharkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sharkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Catodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Catodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hajkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hajkey</a>
Jupiter RowlandHere are the stats for the post:<br><br>The summary and Mastodon-style content warning: 189 characters<br><br>The actual post: 889 characters, counted raw (as opposed to the Mastodon way with 23 characters per link and including the summary/content warning)<br><br>Alt-text: 920 characters<br><br>Image description: 25,420 characters, counted raw again, all headlines included<br><br>Hashtags: 147 characters in 13 hashtags, four of which are for triggering content warning filters<br><br>The whole post body: 26,312 characters<br><br>This is my third-longest image description to date.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterCount" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterCount</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a>
Chris Hessert 🐧 🇺🇦<p>I want a free Linux text editor that can do a character count... for Mastodon posts. Any ideas?</p><p>Bonus points for a solution I can also use on MacOS!</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/TextEditor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TextEditor</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Linux</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/MacOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MacOS</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/CharacterCount" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CharacterCount</span></a></p>
ITF Tech Ltd<p>Notepad's finally getting a character count. No more guesswork when you have a word limit to reach. Earlier this year the app got an autosave feature too.</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Windows11" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Windows11</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Notepad" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Notepad</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/CharacterCount" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CharacterCount</span></a> <a href="https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/7/23992413/microsoft-windows-11-notepad-character-count-widgets-improvements" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">theverge.com/2023/12/7/2399241</span><span class="invisible">3/microsoft-windows-11-notepad-character-count-widgets-improvements</span></a></p>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://ohai.social/@pitrouillesque" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Angry Tea Lady</a> As far as I can see, there is no general consensus or agreement upon what's the right amount of description for an image. I guess it also really depends on the image. Cat photographs can do with rather short descriptions while other pictures require descriptions so long that you couldn't possibly post them in one piece anywhere on most Mastodon instances. Good thing there's a Fediverse beyond Mastodon.<br><br>There are two things I keep in mind for my own image descriptions. One, if something is obscure and niche enough for average Fediverse users to not know anything about it, it needs to be described and explained. That'd better go into the post text itself, but since my image descriptions often grow extremely long, I put them there anyway.<br><br>Two, whenever an image description mentions what there is in a picture, blind or visually-impaired people are likely to want to know what it looks like. So any and all descriptions must include that. It's more ableist not to give visual descriptions than to give them and make the image description longer.<br><br>I myself tend to try to include whatever I read about that should be part of an image description. Just recently, someone wondered why so few people mention where they've taken a picture. Good thing I've been doing that ever since I've started writing detailied image descriptions.<br><br>It's just unfortunate that people rarely give feedback for image descriptions, especially without being asked for it first. My own image descriptions regularly grow so long that they exceed any idea of excessive. What few people have given me feedback so far, including one who has done it out of the blue, liked them, but such a small number of people couldn't possibly represent all of the Fediverse. Then again, I hardly post images anymore because of how long it takes me to describe them, and fewer images mean even less feedback.<br><br>But if it looks like I can get away with image descriptions that are way longer than some essays, I think it's hard for alt-text within Mastodon's 1,500-character limit to be too long.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterCount" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterCount</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Accessibility" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Accessibility</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=A11y" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">A11y</a>
News Feed India<p>Microsoft Enhances Notepad in Windows 11 with Character Count Feature<br><a href="https://techrefreshing.com/microsoft-windows-11-notepad-character-count-update/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">techrefreshing.com/microsoft-w</span><span class="invisible">indows-11-notepad-character-count-update/</span></a><br><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Windows11" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Windows11</span></a><br><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/NotepadUpdate" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>NotepadUpdate</span></a><br><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/CharacterCount" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CharacterCount</span></a><br><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/WidgetsImprovements" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WidgetsImprovements</span></a><br><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/MicrosoftUpdates" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MicrosoftUpdates</span></a></p>
Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://stefanbohacek.online/@stefan" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stefan Bohacek</a> Let's not limit this to only image descriptions in alt-text in toots from vanilla Mastodon.<br><br>How long is too long for an image description in general, regardless of whether it's in the alt-text or the post text? Or specifically when it's part of the post text? Is there such a thing as too long?<br><br>I'm asking because while I'm indirectly bound to Mastodon's 1,500-character limit for alt-text because Mastodon cuts everything that's longer permanently off, I'm not bound to Mastodon's 500-character limit for posts because I'm someplace very different from Mastodon. And my image descriptions tend to grow unimaginably long.<br><br>They have to be that long in order to be sufficiently informative. My own pictures are always from non-real-world places that nearly nobody knows, and so they only contain stuff that nearly nobody knows. And they don't always focus on one element so that everything else can be swept under the rug. So I have to describe a lot, and I have to explain a lot.<br><br>Let's just say I can no longer write full detailed and sufficiently informative image descriptions within Mastodon's constraints, not even within 1,500 characters. Even a carefully chosen camera angle that shows as few surrounding and background details as possible plus cropping away some more details won't let me stay within the 1,500-character limit.<br><br>Now, the thing is I hardly get any feedback for my image descriptions. Most of my image posts get none at all. Some sighted users say they're generally too long, but they never criticise any particular description of mine. Instead, they go by the character counts I tell them.<br><br>On the other hand, I've just received <a href="https://dragonscave.space/@BrailleScreen/111484008787070470" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">praise</a> from a blind user for <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/c8a14063-b4e2-48fa-baf9-cb4faef7225b" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">a post</a> (content warning: eye contact) with two pictures and my longest image description to date: The preamble for both images has slightly over 1,300 characters, the description for the first image has almost exactly 40,000 characters, the one for the second image which references and relies on the former has about 6,750 characters.<br><br>Mastodon's alt-text police seems not to have discovered my posts yet, probably because none of them follows me. That, or they're perfectly okay with what I write. Without any feedback, I can't know. So I'm asking all of you.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=AltText" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AltText</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescription" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescription</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ImageDescriptions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ImageDescriptions</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CharacterCount" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CharacterCount</a>
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The above post (this is a reply in a thread) in numbers:
  • Title (invisible for users of Mastodon and several other Fediverse projects): 61 characters
  • Summary (= content warning on Mastodon): 320 characters, including three content warnings
  • Main post, not counting markup: 770 characters
  • Alt-text, first image: 866 characters
  • Alt-text, second image: 860 characters
  • Image descriptions, preamble including title line, not counting markup: 1,329 characters
  • Image description, first image, including title line, not counting markup: 39,932 characters
  • Image description, second image, including title line, not counting markup: 6,757 characters
  • Hashtags: 16 hashtags, 8 of them content warnings, 182 characters
  • Whole post including extra blank lines, but excluding the title, the summary and alt-texts and not counting markup: cs. 48,977 characters

My previous record for image description length (38,650 characters) has been broken.

#CharacterCount #AltText #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ContentWarning #ContentWarnings #CW #CWs
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btw as you may have noticed, my post is nearly 5000 characters long--way longer than anything you could ever post to Twitter, or all the Masto servers (mostly started by ex-Twitter users) who leave theirs at the default 500 characters. Opinions differ, but again as an ex- #Twitter veteran, I much prefer being able to put all my thoughts in one post rather than have to string it along in a bunch of threaded posts (which, again, are ripe for plucking out of context to be used by accounts with large followings to sic their audience on smaller accounts for "righteous bullying" as I tend to call it). So I'd love to see an emphasis on informing new instance creators that you don't HAVE to keep your server settings at the default #CharacterCount -- and there are numerous instances I tried out but ended up leaving because, having gotten used to the luxurious room for a nearly blog-post-length post here on @Eldritch.Cafe, I struggle to tolerate having to condense myself back to "shouting headline" length barely more generous than Twitter (unless you pay for your account now, I guess). "after you've tasted ambrosia, it's impossible to settle for water" or whatever that phrase is.

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