Yeah. It'll be interesting to see if #FreeOurFeeds incorporates the feedback.

Although, one of the biggest things people were giving #FreeOurFeeds a hard time about was their out-of-touch focus on relays and lack of awareness that they're fairly cheap and becoming cheaper ... a perspective that's very common (and equally out-of-touch) here in fedi as well. And, we've also got boondoggles here, just with somewhat-lower stakes (hundreds of thousands instead of the millions). So, there's a lot of learning for fedi from this session as well, and it'll be just as interesting to see whether the feedback gets incorporated.

@mastodonmigration

@thenexusofprivacy @danhon

Absolutely loved Dan's clear concise summary of the #FreeOurFeeds technical plan. If anyone was worried that this multi-million dollar boondoggle is a hopeless hairball, feel like those concerns are set straight.

The energy at #ATmosphereConf was indeed very positive and optimistic, and there were some great talks and discussion sessions. Dan's got a great summary of @kissane's talk; @rudyfraser.com's talk starting at 1:34:30 in the Sunday livestream is great as well.

And as for the #FreeOurFeeds session Dan describes so vividly ... the session I suggested that hile I very much agree with their goal of European data soverignty and it's great to hear his perspectives that funders are willing to invest in it, the initial focus on a relay - or slightly-broader focus on a relay and PDS - isn't going to get them there, they really need to take a system view. The response was something along the lines of "let me turn it around and ask what you think are the key aspects from the system view." Wait a second, I'm not the one who's trying to raise $30 million here! Oh well, they once again got a lot of feedback, let's see if they incorporate it.

@pfrazee.com @mmccue.bsky.social @mmasnick.bsky.social

my hope for the #SocialWeb is to do for attention what the web did for expression. public control. I can't see how that happens with a central relay, ads and corporate algo. I love that you're helping people leave worse places but I can't say I'll be happy till there's nobody between govts and journos and the people. at least. like email and the web. the threat of exit ala #FreeOurFeeds is not enough.

@jele @bits_und_baeume @kattascha Das Fehlen eines Plans (oder habe ich nur nicht die nötigen Informationen?) bezüglich der Governance hält mich davon ab, #freeourfeeds zu unterstützen. Außerdem befürchte ich, dass es zu viel Aufmerksamkeit von #savesocial abzieht, das sich auf das Fediverse bezieht.

@alexandrageese

@jele @bits_und_baeume @kattascha Bluesky ist das Unternehmen. Es geht um die verwendete Technologie, die es prinzipiell möglich macht, unabhängig von Bluesky zu arbeiten. Leider nur, wenn man viel Geld ausgibt. Free our Feeds will in Europa ein eigenes Relay (sehr ressourcenintensives System, das die Beiträge aggregiert) aufbauen. Ich sehe noch keine Multimillionäre, die uns sagen, wo es lang geht. Andererseits ist noch nicht klar, wie die Governance aussehen wird. #Governance #freeourfeeds

An verbindliche, strenge Gesetze, die auf europäischen Werten basieren, sollten sich Plattformen aus anderen Systemen halten müssen. Sonst sollten wir sie verbieten."

Sebastian Esser und Heiko Scherer

“that would involve involve cutting back its work on a #Mastodon instance” — #NabhiaSyed, #MozillaCorporate, #Mozilla

And replacing future technical work to improve #Mastodon with this dog pile of AT Protocol concept.

“Free Our Feeds solicits funds to foster AT Protocol that powers decentralized social media”

#FreeOurFeeds / #BlueSky / #Meta / #ATProtocol #ActivityPub <https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/14/free_our_feeds_decentralized_social_media/>

“that would involve involve cutting back its work on a #Mastodon instance” — #NabhiaSyed, #MozillaCorporate, #Mozilla

And replacing with this dog pile of AT Protocol concept at the expense of working on improving #mastodon.

“Free Our Feeds solicits funds to foster AT Protocol that powers decentralized social media”

#FreeOurFeeds / #BlueSky / #Meta / #ATProtocol #ActivityPub <https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/14/free_our_feeds_decentralized_social_media/>

“that would involve involve cutting back its work on a #Mastodon instance” — #NabhiaSyed, #MozillaCorporate, #Mozilla

And replacing with this dog pile of AT Protocol concept at the expense of working on improving #mastodon.

“Free Our Feeds solicits funds to foster AT Protocol that powers decentralized social media”

#FreeOurFeeds / #BlueSky / #ATProtocol #ActivityPub <https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/14/free_our_feeds_decentralized_social_media/>

@ErikJonker there is the #freeourfeeds initiative that will replicate an atproto relay. Subject to technical / economic factors it wil put to rest the (reasonable) fears about bluesky.

My gut feeling is that because of different architectures, the two protocols will give rise to different online exchanges. Bluesky type cathedrals vs #activitypub type community houses.

And much depends on the client software we use - which is a bit stagnant. We could have a common interface to all these.